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PostSubject: Obama's inaugural choice sparks outrage   Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:30 am

Rick Warren wasn't always a lightning rod for controversy


By Rebecca Sinderbrand
CNN


(CNN) -- Rick Warren -- the man at the center of an inaugural firestorm -- has built his career on an uncontroversial reputation.


The irony of the furor over Warren's selection to deliver the invocation at Barack Obama's inaugural ceremony is that the California minister first drew notice for his determination to expand the evangelical agenda beyond hot-button social issues like opposition to same-sex marriage.

Warren has been described as the next Billy Graham, an evangelical leader with a moderate reputation and mass-market appeal -- although instead of massive open-air rallies and an out-sized television presence, Warren focused on forging partnerships with unlikely allies working to protect the environment and fight AIDS.

As a pioneer of the mega-church movement, Warren looked to translate traditional evangelical messages for a wider audience. He penned "The Purpose-Driven Life," a spiritually based self-help guide that brought mainstream best-seller status to a muted religious message.

In his model, everyday concerns were a top priority: Attendees at his Saddleback Church -- now more than 20,000 strong -- could expect free classes on home finance, or assistance with child care needs.

Warren urged ministers to adopt a Madison Avenue approach: to super-charge the growth of congregations by fine-tuning their pitch for the "un-churched." He released bullet-point sermons with crossover potential, along with material to help churchgoers follow along. The church atmosphere he called for was a relaxed one, with dressed-down ministers leading services in nontraditional venues, featuring easy-listening music chosen with younger listeners in mind.

But even as Warren's nonpartisan appeal led to increasingly high-profile roles -- like host of this summer's presidential faith forum, featuring Sens. Obama and John McCain -- controversy grew over his conservative stands on social issues.

The headlines may be new, but Warren's positions aren't. During the last election cycle, he sent thousands of pastors an e-mail laying out what he viewed as non-negotiable issues for evangelicals deciding on their pick at the polls, from stem-cell research and abortion to same-sex marriage.

On Wednesday, after Obama announced Warren as his choice, prominent liberal groups and gay rights proponents criticized the selection. Some said the choice signaled that Obama is not interested in advancing gay rights or protecting abortion rights. iReport.com: What do you think of the choice?

Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, said Wednesday that he feels a "deep level of disrespect" because of the choice of Warren and is calling on Obama to reconsider the move. Read more about the criticism of Obama's choice

On Thursday, Obama defended his decision to tap Warren. "And I would note that a couple of years ago, I was invited to Rick Warren's church to speak, despite his awareness that I held views that were entirely contrary to his when it came to gay and lesbian rights, when it came to issues like abortion. ...

"And that dialogue, I think, is part of what my campaign's been all about: That we're not going to agree on every single issue, but what we have to do is to be able to create an atmosphere ... where we can disagree without being disagreeable and then focus on those things that we hold in common as Americans."

But progressive commentators said Warren is a symbol of division.

"When Obama advances a progressive agenda on social issues, as he's certain to do, Warren will continue to speak out on the other side," wrote the Washington Monthly's Steve Benen.

"Only now, he'll do so with the added authority that comes with being the president's hand-chosen pastor for the inauguration's invocation. Warren's status will soar, and his criticism of Obama's policies -- or Democrats' in general -- will resonate that much louder."

Warren himself is working to contain the fallout from his support for California's Proposition 8. In an interview set to air this week, he denied that his stand against same-sex marriage meant he was homophobic.

"Of course not. I have always treated them with respect," he said. "When they come and wanna talk to me, I talk to 'em. When the protesters came, we served them water and doughnuts."

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PostSubject: Re: Obama's inaugural choice sparks outrage   Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:32 am

WTF is President Elect thinking? I'm so fucking outraged by this choice... and I'm NOT alone. I'm sure that all the Conservatives... the extreme right wing... that they are soooo flippin' happy, to see that a man that would bring DIVISION is going to be speaking. I'm not... and I WILL be muting my tv when Warren speaks. I don't want to hear him spew a damn thing.

Oh, but I might send him a letter, thanking him for giving my second class brothers and sisters, some water and donuts, when they "came to him." WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Obama's inaugural choice sparks outrage   Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:34 am

I don't get it, he's just delivering the invocation, right?

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PostSubject: Re: Obama's inaugural choice sparks outrage   Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:41 am

Yup. Just saying the words. Going to be hard to find a man of the cloth who is for gay marriage.

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PostSubject: Re: Obama's inaugural choice sparks outrage   Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:08 am

I happen to know A LOT of "People" of the cloth, who support same sex marriage!! And it's about a lot more than that!!!

Oh well...

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PostSubject: Re: Obama's inaugural choice sparks outrage   Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:52 am

Kris, I don't think that's the majority. I think perhaps it's hard to find a high profile pastor that's for gay marriage. It's probably part of the reason they become high profile: because they're bigots, and people love bigots.

Not me so much.

But Obama has spoken out that his views don't reflect those of this Rick Warren fellow. But it does show a positive message of tolerance and understanding. Not that he's right, nor should he have the right to use Obama's inauguration as a platform to push his agenda. But he has beliefs, just as we all have beliefs. His are wrong, of course, but the more you shout and scream about it, the more he probably feels validated in his beliefs.

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PostSubject: Re: Obama's inaugural choice sparks outrage   Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:32 pm

Since it's the position of the Catholic church to recognize gay marriage, again, Obama is going to be hard-pressed to find a big time pastor to oversee the inaguration.

As for the rest, I don't see what the uproar is about.

If he has a Catholic priest, does that mean the Jews are going to get pissed? Atheists? Mormons? Snake Handlers?

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PostSubject: Re: Obama's inaugural choice sparks outrage   Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:34 pm

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Kris, I don't think that's the majority. I think perhaps it's hard to find a high profile pastor that's for gay marriage. It's probably part of the reason they become high profile: because they're bigots, and people love bigots.

Not me so much.

But Obama has spoken out that his views don't reflect those of this Rick Warren fellow. But it does show a positive message of tolerance and understanding. Not that he's right, nor should he have the right to use Obama's inauguration as a platform to push his agenda. But he has beliefs, just as we all have beliefs. His are wrong, of course, but the more you shout and scream about it, the more he probably feels validated in his beliefs.

Well said, sir.

Again, I'm waiting for the gays to wage war against the Mormons.

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PostSubject: Re: Obama's inaugural choice sparks outrage   Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:08 am

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Kris, I don't think that's the majority. I think perhaps it's hard to find a high profile pastor that's for gay marriage. It's probably part of the reason they become high profile: because they're bigots, and people love bigots.

Not me so much.

But Obama has spoken out that his views don't reflect those of this Rick Warren fellow. But it does show a positive message of tolerance and understanding. Not that he's right, nor should he have the right to use Obama's inauguration as a platform to push his agenda. But he has beliefs, just as we all have beliefs. His are wrong, of course, but the more you shout and scream about it, the more he probably feels validated in his beliefs.

I will agree with HECk in saying well said. It's what I was going to say, only you did it better than I could have.

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PostSubject: Re: Obama's inaugural choice sparks outrage   Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:02 pm

I did find Rick Warren's comments about loving Democrats and Republicans and gays and straights kind of stupid. Whenever stuff like that comes from a church official, I always see it as like "I love ya, so I hope you get the help you need to cure you..." blah blah blah. Kind of stupid.

But I think that's about as tolerant as you're going to get. Who did Bush use? Who did Clinton use?

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