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PostSubject: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:59 pm

What did everyone think?


Also, I say first order is hard to say, I will use the term empire instead.


It didn't suck. It kept me engaged thru most of it....

It had some excellent parts that were cool.

BUT.....


It had so many logic errors. So many stupid jokes that did not work. So much build up to small little payoffs.

I'm starting to see that if you took force awakens and this movie, cut the side plots and kill the horrible plot holes, and get the original sound track in, it might be excellent.

I felt little suspense about what would happen, it was some weak editing at points.

I think the main problem is the MOVIE was in on the joke. The movie keeps winking at the audience with things that real characters would not do or say.

The biggest hugest problem with the movie is the math. This is a galaxy war, and it's all down to a pitiful amount of ships on both sides. Which would make some kind of sense, but they send out a help signal to the galaxy and the galaxy sends no one to help the rebellion.

But no one comes to help the Empire. You are telling me neither side has some freggin backup across the whole galaxy?

They made a huge point of a side plot at a casino planet, which did not feel anything like star wars. The main point was all these rich bastards got rich selling weapons to the empire. Then we learn also the rebellion. Yet the whole galaxy is in a war, this planet if full of trillionaires of every race, yet we got tiime for Finn and funny girl to fly over there, do some stuff, then fly back. Meanwhile the entire galaxy........they are like no thanks.

At the very least, the galaxy would send some ships and try to finish off the empire. It got a little silly.

Also bad, they cheap assed the graphics on the falcon. Little falcon in this movie.


bad: laura dern is a bad actress, she does not fit with this universe.
logic errors everywhere when it comes to plot or simple science.
An iron coming down to iron pants that is looks like a ship landing is a bad joke during a movie, save it for some joke reel, more lets wink at ourselves.
We can track in light speed now is a bad joke.
The Finn vs. plasma fight is like 30 seconds long.
the whole final battle scene on the planet has zero logic.
REY ISN"T ANYBODY...COPOUT BULLSHIT.
We need a special ramming cannon to take down a door now, and the door is the only way in or out....wtf.
worst scene of the movie is: the code cracker at the casino table and they do some kind of james bond star wars mucis hybrid...that made me angry.


good: When Luke does have a scene, he is a bad ass. Yoda and Luke scene was awesome. Rey is more of a likable character in this one. Rey and Ren were cool when they fought together. Lukes Ben Kenobi/Yoda moment when he gets to just fade away. Chewie not eating those puffin things, even though he cooked one. Luke explaining the force and getting it right, losing all the midiclorean shit. There was some real emotion when Luke was back on the falcon lost and alone and nostalgic and then saw R2. Snokes ship was cool, liked the design.


sort of stupid, can't figure if it's cool or dumb: Leia getting blown into space and then flying like a harry potter witch back into the ship, then spending most of the movie in sickbay. My mind was like, "this is cool, but....no????? Is she cool cool, or mary poppins, or wtf am I seeing right now??!?!?!".


overall thought: there were so many good parts, wish I had them to watch in a shorter movie.  The writing put so many expectations on all these story elements and they went with the half ass answer approach, which is, "none of this matters, it's all good...it's cool".

That's all fine and dandy, but when you say and write stuff like that, the audience tunes out, cause there is no tension. This movie did not make that mistake of putting too many plot points on the answers, but it pisses you off that they brought them up in the first place and then Snoke get killed like a turd, and Rey has junker parents. So who is snoke? I never cared really and neither did the movie. Who is Reys parents? I could give a crap and neither did the movie. But really guys, you people set up these plot questions for us, then you throw your light saber over the cliff.

Having said that, only seen this thing once. Movies this dense are better on the rewatch. I didn't hate it. I didn't love. I liked and enjoyed it. I wanted more and I expected more.

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:21 pm

these guys I found on you tube pretty much explain the bad parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL5oCP0VIEI

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:12 pm

this one explains it all how bad it is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUVkVuE3N4w

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:38 am

Okay, these are my thoughts...

I love it, but like almost everybody: I got some notes. I don't know how to organize this. Should I put them in order of importance or chronologically? I'm going to go with 'stream of consciousness' rambling.

Flying Leia was bad. But I could live with it. But they could have killed her off then and reedited the rest of the movie so she was out of it. Reshot some stuff. It would have been fine.

The sheer number of motivational speeches is exhausting.

Laura Dern showing up was odd. It was one woman giving a motivational speech to introduce Laura Dern to give another motivational speech. Laura Dern could have just started speaking. Why did she need to be introduced?

When Leia woke up, they have this big moment like I should give a crap that these two are best buddies. Lame.

That's the problem with a few things in this story. A lot of people show up and they're revealed like I should know who they are. Benicio Del Toro was the same. It's almost disappointing to see him because the way his character is revealed it's like "I'm going to know who he is, I'm going to know who he is, I'm going to ... who's that?"

Speaking of that section, that whole casino planet thing was ridiculous. How the hell did they just take a ship and leave unnoticed and get to some casino planet god knows where in the galaxy? Ridiculous. They needed to do another pass or two on the script to iron ridiculous crap out.

I don't mind that Rey is nobody, really. Anakin was nobody. The fact that they hyped up the idea that she was "somebody" meant that no answer could be satisfying. So I was okay with that.

I do wish they'd told us something about Snoke before they killed him off like a punk. I don't mind that he died, but he's so old he had to have been around during the original trilogy. What was going on then?

I like the Yoda scene. It was funny, he used the classic Empire Yoda (appearance and personality). I've never liked the Star Wars ghosts, but I'm glad they keep them cannon. It would be ridiculous to ret-con it. But I feel like this is the first time that the ghosts could affect the real world. Not a big deal, I was just genuinely trying to remember another instance of it.

I like how Laura Dern light speeds through the First Order ship. Cool scene with great audio effect.

I like what they did with Luke. Basically everything from him thinking of getting rid of Kylo Ren to him cutting himself off from the Force, coming back like a champ and dying while looking at the sun (like when he first appeared in this series).

It was another thing that made me think "can he do that?" but apparently he can... So there it is. But then the dice chain thing at the end is confusing. Was that really there? I don't know what to believe anymore.

I'm done... for now. I'm tired.


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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:31 pm

One of my favorite parts was Luke winking at C3po. That robot never got any respect from anyone in any movie that I know of...

and Luke gives him props.

Good stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:36 pm

Ha, that was funny. C3PO hasn't done jack so far this series, mind you.

I just wish the story would have developed more naturally.

Okay, take for example A New Hope.

Leia gives the plans to R2 and he goes off to find Ben Kenobi. They need a ship so meet Han, Han takes them to Alderon which has been destroyed so they end up on the Death Star. They escape it and go back for another run at it. Blow the mother up. It feels natural.

I like the major arc in this story where they have to keep moving to keep the First Order Ship at a distance, and they're running out of time. Where they lose me is them creating a scenario where they have to go to some casino planet (without being noticed by anybody?) to get this code maker.

I like that their plan ended up failing, though. It was a stupid plan. Not even a mention on how Rose and Finn would escape the ship they were on. The plan was for the Resistance to jet off into light speed immediately and leave them behind? They don't even address that.

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:34 pm

I didn't understand the cloaking stuff either. They said the transports were cloaked and somehow the code cracker dude they did find someone cracked the code on the cloaks and that's how they took out all the transports.

But thru all that garbage writing, they were headed for a PLANET. A freegin planet was nearby and the empire couldn't see that thing?

silly!!!!!

Admiral Jurassic Park lady was so stupid. Send out the 50 transports, have them all warp out into different parts of the galaxy, at least some of them would survive.

The whole "we can track thru light speed now" really put a major brake on the very nature of how star wars fight work.

Now anyone can talk to each other in the galaxy, anyone can hyperspace anywhere in the galaxy and NOW ADD TO IT that everyone will be trackable.

There is no battle you can hide from now, everyone knows where you are at and can show up and you fight or die.

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:35 pm

I also like Luke kicking Rey's butt with the stick thingy, then pulls a lightsaber on him.

That's some good stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:49 pm

It is now confirmed.

Hitler is confused about the movie, just like most of us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01VyZ6XWwY8

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:52 am

I liked the film well enough. I'm not big into the Star Wars franchise so the only thing I care about is that the film isn't boring and it wasn't so it was fine to me.

My only problem with the new Episodes is that I dont think Kylo Ren intimidating. He just strikes me as a child throwing a tantrum. There's no menace to him.

And one thing you can say about the new Episodes is that they follow the prequel's example and waste the potential of thier villians. In Episode I Darth Maul was just there for the action, in Episode II Count Dooku only arrives towards the climax leading to his early exit in Episode III and General Greivous's time as a major antagonist is fleeting, and now with Episode VII Snoke plays a supporting cameo before showing off some potential and getting offed in Episode VIII so that tantrum boy can take center stage again. So there you go. Wasted potential villians.

Also, apparently Star Destroyers are utterly worthless now and only Dreadnaughts can do anything.
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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:36 pm

I liked parts of it and had good times in parts of it, BUT

ha ha, further whidden rant starts now: Wink

All space ships NOW, are worth nothing because anyone can go into hyperspace with the wrong coordinates and take out whatever ships you have in your fleet.

Per this new science, any ship can destroy any other ship.....or they can destroy....any fleet of ships with some bad math on the hyperspace button.

Per this math, an alone ship or maybe a few ships could take out the first death star, the second death star and the last death star called star killer base. Let us just take some ships, put them in hyperspace, which EVERYONE CAN DO, from the smallest fighter to the largest ships, to planet sized death stars.... and let us make it so that anyone with hyperspace tech, that we all have... can take it on a suicide mission and destroy any ship we are in a war with at the moment.

WTF. Per this math....

and the world building behind it: Superman can now hold kryptonite. Batman is poor. Hulk is weak. Nixon was a good president. The godfather (marlon brando) is helping the sick. Godfather's son, al pachino is out on pandora somewhere planting a tree. Neo from the matrix is off telling some agent smith clone that control is good now. Clint Eastwood is selling his guns and asking for some help down at the local homeless shelter. Seinfeld is not jewish. Thanos and his glove are down at Goodwill. Indiana Jones is hiding in a fridge (wait, that really happened...), anyhow, the world building part got put out the window with this movie. This is science fiction, you got to have some sort of science with the fiction. Otherwise, it's just another monster of the week story from some random t.v. show.

Self logic on a movie universe got taken out in this movie.

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:43 am

I think Kylo Ren is supposed to be a whiney, emo kid. I actually like that he has all this power and is acting like a twit. By killing Snoke, he's weaseled his way into control of the entire New Order and it's a power he really should have... but there it is.

In Force Awakens he literally has a tantrum and destroys a control panel. In this new one he stops their entire assault on the resistance so he can tell Luke to go fuck himself. He's a douchebag and I think it's obvious he's supposed to be. Right, that's not intimidating really... but it's frightening.

I don't know about the hyperspace tech thing myself, it's kinda dumb but doesn't bug me. Though I heard someone say on a podcast a good way to do it would have been to have Finn be the reason they could be tracked. Like he wasn't really with the Resistance at all, he was playing them.

But then that would interfere with the obvious Finn/Poe romance story, so I don't know.

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:32 am

I'm cranking on this movie a lot but I did like most of it.

I'm still not clear on why Leia had the wardrobe changes. I guess so she could look cool standing in front of the main blaster door with the queens wedding garb. And cool she did look.

And I don't understand why they are called snow foxes, when they made a big deal of telling us it wasn't snow, it was salt. LOL!!!!

I can't help it, I have to crank on it, it's fun.

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:59 pm

Hey I finally agree with some Canadians, lol.... Laughing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ8ir66M5XU

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:28 pm

I thought she was in a hospital gown when she blasted through the door.

I like the movie okay. The things I don't know are... things I can get used to, I think. I know it's silly but I feel like even the old movies were divisive at times.

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:26 pm

Well, not her force blast thru the door.

When is standing front of the main blast door before the main battle. down on the planet.

She had on the full neck deal dress.

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:55 am

Huh... I'll keep an eye on it next time then.

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:36 am

I'm not clicking that, it's probably a virus. Yous tryna hack my computer.


Oh yeah, okay, I remember that.

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PostSubject: Re: The Last Jedi spoilers thread   Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:55 pm

I think it was bullet proof neck wear. Or laser shot proof.


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