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PostSubject: Military Lies and more Lies...   Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:53 pm

Soldier: ĎOrdered not to tellí of Tillmanís death


House hearing questions friendly fire tragedy and rescue of Jessica Lynch



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Updated: 11:40 a.m. PT April 24, 2007

WASHINGTON - An Army Ranger who was with former NFL star Pat Tillman when he died by friendly fire in Afghanistan testified Tuesday that he was told by a higher-up to conceal that information from Tillmanís family.

"I was ordered not to tell them," Army Spc. Bryan OíNeal told the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, which was also looking at how the military portrayed the rescue of Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch.

He said he was given the order by then-Lt. Col. Jeff Bailey, the battalion commander who oversaw Tillmanís platoon.


Pat Tillmanís brother Kevin was in a convoy behind his brother when he was killed, but didnít see it. OíNeal said Bailey told him specifically not to tell Kevin Tillman that the death was friendly fire rather than heroic engagement with the enemy.

"He basically just said, 'Do not let Kevin know, heís probably in a bad place knowing that his brotherís dead,'" OíNeal said. He added that Bailey made clear he would "get in trouble" if he told.

Earlier, Kevin Tillman accused the military of "intentional falsehoods" and "deliberate and careful misrepresentations" in initially portraying his brother's death as the result of heroic engagement with the enemy instead of friendly fire.

"We believe this narrative was intended to deceive the family but more importantly the American public," Tillman testified.

"Revealing that Pat's death was a (friendly fire) fratricide would have been yet another political disaster in a month of political disasters ... so the truth needed to be suppressed," said Tillman.

"We have now concluded that our efforts are being actively thwarted by powers that are more interested in protecting a narrative than getting at the truth and seeing justice is served," he said.

Pat Tillman was killed on April 22, 2004, after his Army Ranger comrades were ambushed in eastern Afghanistan. Rangers in a convoy trailing Tillman's group had just emerged from a canyon where they had been fired upon. They saw Tillman and mistakenly fired on him.





Cpl. Pat Tillman in a 2003 photo


Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., questioned how high up the chain of command the information about Tillmanís friendly fire death went, and whether anyone in the White House knew before Tillmanís family.

Pat Tillmanís mother, Mary Tillman, said she believed then Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld must have known. ďThe fact that he would have died by friendly fire and no one told Rumsfeld is ludicrous,Ē she said.

Though dozens of soldiers knew quickly that Tillman had been killed by his fellow troops, the Army said initially that he was killed by enemy gunfire when he led his team to help another group of ambushed soldiers. It was five weeks before his family was told the truth, a delay the Army has blamed on procedural mistakes.

Did Bush know?
Cummings cited a memo written by a top general seven days after Tillmanís death warning it was "highly possible" the Army Ranger was killed by friendly fire and making clear his warning should be conveyed to the president. President Bush made no reference to the way Tillman died in a speech delivered two days after the memo was written.

A White House spokesman has said thereís no indication Bush received the warning in the memo written April 29, 2004, by then-Maj. Gen. Stanley McChrystal to Gen. John Abizaid, head of Central Command.

"Itís a little disingenuous to think the administration didnít know," Kevin Tillman told the committee. "Thatís kind of what we hoped you guys would get involved with and take a look."

Mary Tillman said family members were "absolutely appalled" upon realizing the extent to which they were misled. "Weíve all been betrayed. ... We never thought they would use him the way they did."

The Tillman family has made similar accusations against the administration and the military before, but has generally shied away from news media attention. The family had never previously appeared together and summarized their criticism and questions in such a public, comprehensive way.

Last month the military concluded in a pair of reports that nine high-ranking Army officers, including four generals, made critical errors in reporting Tillmanís death but that there was no criminal wrongdoing in his shooting.

Democrat: Truth wasn't told
Committee chairman Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., contended that the federal government invented "sensational details and stories" about the death of Pat Tillman and the rescue of Lynch in Iraq.

"The government violated its most basic responsibility," said Waxman.

"The bare minimum we owe our soldiers and their families is the truth," Waxman added in his opening statement. "That didnít happen for the two most famous soldiers in the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars."

The committee's senior Republican, Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia, argued in his opening statement that the Lynch rescue was exaggerated by the media, not the military.

He did, however, question how Tillman's death was handled by the military, saying it was a "disservice" to have let "a myth outrun the facts" about his death.




Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch is seen in this image taken from military video during her rescue on April 1, 2003.


Still hampered by her injuries, Lynch walked slowly to the witness table and took a seat alongside Tillmanís family members.

Lynch was badly injured when her convoy was ambushed in Iraq in 2003. She was subsequently rescued by American troops from an Iraqi hospital but the tale of her ambush was changed into a story of heroism on her part.

ďThe bottom line is the American people are capable of determining their own ideals of heroes and they donít need to be told elaborate tales,Ē Lynch told the committee in prepared testimony.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Lies and more Lies...   Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:55 pm

Setting the Record Straight


Jessica Lynch tells Congress what really happened to her in Iraq.





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Lynch arrives to testify before Congress on April 24


By Julie Scelfo
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Updated: 1 hour, 52 minutes ago


April 24, 2007 - Jessica Lynch became a national hero in 2003 after she was dramatically rescued by a team of Special Ops soldiers from an Iraqi hospital where she was believed to be a prisoner of war. Her story was compelling not only because she was a 19-year-old supply-unit clerk who had stumbled into an attack during convoy travel with her unit, but because she was portrayed by military authorities as having valiantly fought back against her attackers even as her unit was surrounded and her comrades were killed and injured. The legend quickly unraveled, however, after Lynch returned to the States, recuperated from her substantial injuries (broken arm and leg bones, damage to her back and kidneys, and a six-inch laceration to her head) and began to speak out about what had really happened. Today, Lynch testified before a House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing probing the source of misleading information about Lynch and about the death of Army Ranger Specialist Patrick Tillman in Afghanistan. NEWSWEEK's Julie Scelfo spoke with Lynch, who turns 24 on April 26, about her experiences. Excerpts:


NEWSWEEK: Why did you decide to testify?


Jessica Lynch: Mainly it was about me just getting out the truth. Iíve spent the past four years trying to tell everybody the real truth, and not the stories they put together. They were false, ya know?



What was the greatest misinformation about you?
The whole Rambo story, that I went down fighting. It just wasnít the truth.



So what really happened?
I didnít even get a shot off. My weapon had jammed. And I didnít even get to fire. A rocket-propelled grenade hit the back of our [Humvee], which made Lori [Piestewa], my friend, lose control of the vehicle, and we slammed into the back of another truck in our unit.



Who is to blame for spreading the misinformation?
Well, I think really the military and the media. The military, for not setting the record straight and the media for spreading it, and not seeking the true facts. They just ran with it instead of waiting until the facts were straightened out.



What do you hope Congress achieves with todayís hearing?
I hope it [helps] the Tillman family get the accurate information that they deserve. They need to know what happened to their son and why they were lied to.



Do you feel like this is a pattern, misinformation from the military?
Well, it kind of seems like thatís the way itís been happening. I hope they can learn from mistakes and correct this and not let other family members and soldiers have to deal with the things that my family and I went through.



What was the hardest part of having misinformation spread?
Knowing that it wasnít the truth. I just, I had to get [the truth] out there. I wouldnít have been able to live with myself knowing thatís not exactly how it happened.



You said during your testimony you werenít there for political reasons. But do you have an opinion about how the administration used your story and Tillmanís story for political gain?
I donít know because thereís no way of knowing why this stuff was even created in the first place. Only the people who created it would have the answers.



So how is your recovery going?
I still have a lot of problems, a lot of injuries. I will probably never heal or be the same again. But Iím OK with it, and Iíve learned to cope with it in my own way.



You said in your testimony that Iraqi nurses actually tried to return you once to the Americans. What happened?
We were fired upon, and [the] driver of the ambulance had to turn around and brought me back to the hospital.



So the Iraqis were trying to return you?
Yeah, hopefully thatís what they were doing. Thatís what I was told they were doing. We were headed to a checkpoint and we were fired upon.



If the Iraqis wanted to give you back, why did the military stage a big rescue? Couldnít they just knock on the hospital door?
I donít know. I hope that they had my interests in mind, and were wanting to get me out of there.



Do you feel like you were exploited by the military?
No, I donít. I felt sort of like that in the beginning, yes. But now, four years later, I donít.



During todayís testimony Pat Tillmanís brother, Kevin, says he feels his brotherís death was ďexploitedĒ for political reasons.
I agree, they did that in a way. Pat Tillman's situation was similar to mine but completely different. He didnít have the opportunity to come home and tell the truth and set the record straight like I did.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Lies and more Lies...   Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:56 pm

The government making up lies and covering information up for their own political gain? WHAT? i'm in... shock Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Military Lies and more Lies...   Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:16 pm

Yeah... I think that we're all in shock that our gov't... hell, ANY gov't... would lie, to save their own back sides!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Military Lies and more Lies...   Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:36 pm

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The government making up lies and covering information up for their own political gain? WHAT? i'm in... shock Rolling Eyes

Seriously. I bet the story isn't bigger because no on is surprised. Another day in the oval office.

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PostSubject: Re: Military Lies and more Lies...   Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:49 am

I love how everyone knows this is a normal occurrence and yet, everyone just accepts it.

I wish we had the power to fire the pres. "you're not working up to your potential soooo, we're gonna have to let you go..."

or we could just get trump to do it. "Bush, you're a dumb ass... you're fiiiired!" (attacking swan hand)

We wanted to impeach Clinton for sleeping with a ho, but God forbid we impeach someone for doing a bad job.

If we had the power to vote the president off, don't you think they'd try harder at doing what's right for the country? ahhhhhhh to live in pretend land. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Military Lies and more Lies...   Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:50 am

Really nothing we can do but accept it. Hey, I voted for Kerry.

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PostSubject: Re: Military Lies and more Lies...   Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:20 pm

as did i.
and al gore.
so i can actually bitch about george wanker bush all i want.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Lies and more Lies...   Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:27 pm

But really every administration does it. Hell, the Warren Comission still hasn't released their full findings on the Kennedy assasination.

Project Blue Book, Philidelphia Experiment, Manhatten Project, Remote Viewing Program... government has tons of classified shit that the general public will never, ever know about.

While I am saddened by the death and coverup of Tillman, it barely scratches the surface of the behind-the-scenes actions of our government.

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PostSubject: Re: Military Lies and more Lies...   Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:41 pm

Remote Viewing Program? what is that, like Big Brother?
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PostSubject: Re: Military Lies and more Lies...   Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:46 pm

Not really. There are these people who believe they have a form of ESP and can do something called "remote viewing." Basically, it's like they are sitting in a room and can tell you what's happening in the next room, or down the street, or in the next state, etc. The CIA had a program where it studied so-called remote viewers.

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PostSubject: Re: Military Lies and more Lies...   Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:50 pm

or people who are coming back from the future???!! like in REPLAY <- plug!
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PostSubject: Re: Military Lies and more Lies...   Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:55 pm

Zuh?

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